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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2017, 15:06 
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SalvatoreMundi wrote:
Bet kapec prieksh taa jarazo velviens klubs, ja to jau tapatas ir vairak ka viens?

Neviens nesaka ka ir jāražo jauns klubs, viņš var būt viens vai desmit. Normāla situācija būtu ka katrā reģionā būtu savs klubs , ar savu lidpleķi, kuru iekārto kluba biedri, paši spriež kā izmantot līdzekļus tram taram. lai katram LV interesentam būtu iespēja aizbraukt palidot ne tālāk kā 80km. Bet visi klubi balstītos uz vieniem pamata noteikumiem.

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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2017, 15:07 
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UldisK wrote:
SalvatoreMundi wrote:
Bet kapec prieksh taa jarazo velviens klubs, ja to jau tapatas ir vairak ka viens?

Neviens nesaka ka ir jāražo jauns klubs, viņš var būt viens vai desmit. Normāla situācija būtu ka katrā reģionā būtu savs klubs , ar savu lidpleķi, kuru iekārto kluba biedri, paši spriež kā izmantot līdzekļus tram taram. lai katram LV interesentam būtu iespēja aizbraukt palidot ne tālāk kā 80km. Bet visi klubi balstītos uz vieniem pamata noteikumiem.

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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2017, 15:11 
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Oi, tajos noteikumos ir daudz interesantu punktu, piemēram:
31. Radiovadāma lidmodeļa pilots pirms lidojuma veikšanas pārliecinās:
31.1. ka paredzēto vadības pults raidītāja radioviļņu frekvenci neizmanto cits pilots;

Sanāk, ka lidojot pasākumos, katram būtu jāizmanto sava frekvence? Tie rakstītāji tak ir reāli atpalikuši no dzīves par gadiem 20

Normāls punkts tikai tas ir jāpapildina ar - ja izmanto Mhz aparatūru. Jo daudzi vēl jo projām lido ar vecajām pultīm, pat nopietni piloti. Es zinu 3 kuri lido. Ja šos punktus viņi neizpilda tad modelis ir sasists jeb aizlido. Kādreiz visas aparatūras bija jāsakrauj uz galda un paņem tikai tas pilots kurš lido , katram pie antenes karodziņš ar izmantoto frekvenci, tagad protams tās ir tikai vienības , bet vēl jo projām ir un šo saskaņošanu var veikt vienkārši mutiski (tiem kuri ar viņām lido to arī pašā sākumā vienmēr izdara - apstaigā visus un paskatās vai vēl kādam nav garie puļķi :) ). Un ja kas tad vēl jo projām pagadās RTR modeļi arī ar Mhz transmiteriem.
Kas notiks ja Tu ar šādu modeli lidosi un blakus viens izvilks auto ar tādu pašu kvarca frekvenci un ieslēgs... :(
Tātad punkts varētu tikt labots uz --- 31.1. Izmantojot MHz diapazona vadības pulti saskaņot tās darbības frekvenci ar citiem pilotiem kuri arī izmanto šī diapazona vadības pulti,
Palaidu garām , jeb neatradu punktu - izmantot tikai ES regulās noteiktās atļutās jaudas(ne tikai frekvences) vadības pulti un citus transmiterus kuri izmantojami modeļa vadībai jeb telemetrijai. Punkts ir vajadzīgs lai vienkārši kāds nepiečakarētos ka tāds nav.

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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2017, 15:51 
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Labrīt !
Šos MK noteikumus pieņēma pagājušā gada beigās . Pirms tam viņus ilgi un dikti varēja apspriest un iesniegt savus priekšlikumus un labojumus katrs interesents . Bet nu labi , tas jau netraucē to darīt tagad atkal :D
PS Un šie noteikumi ir saistoši gan individuālajiem pilotiem , gan klubiem un vienalga vai tas ir Kuldīgas vai Mazpisānu klubs .


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PostPosted: 20 Sep 2017, 21:19 
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What is being missed here - is the fact that the proposed rules for 2019 include a section splitting model fling into 3 classes.

One of those classes gives all of us as model flyers possibility to fly similar to today with limited restrictions - as long as we are flying in the rules of a recognised club.
The EU has accepted that clubs want to keep flying safe ...

My job along with other members of LARPAS is to try and create a guide for clubs so they can create a set of rules acceptable for this EU classification. We are also trying to identify ways to provide support and Insurance for model flyers - also required by EU.

If LARPAS can write a sensible set of rules, have insurance negotiated on a national Latvian basis, provide a voice in the EU - why is that so bad ? Someone has to do it because 2019 is fast coming upon us all. It is no good waiting till a politician decides and then we all lose.

I have asked for your help. It is an honest request. I need suggestions / ideas / examples of club rules I can use to help us create that national set of rules to guide clubs in this.

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PostPosted: 20 Sep 2017, 21:35 
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solentlife, first of all, I'd like to thank you for your initiative.
Regarding the insurance - what if someone flies mainly in his own "contryside yard"? Should he have an insurance? Should it be the same as for someone who flies in the city?
When flying in countryside, there's still risk to do some damage to others (we all know that models fly away), but the risk is much smaller.

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PostPosted: 20 Sep 2017, 21:44 
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solentlife wrote:
...I have asked for your help. It is an honest request...

Draugs , palīdzēt var tikai tam kurš pats kaut ko dara . Pagaidām tu tikai visu kautko nesaprotamu te stročī . Sāc beidzot darīt , rakstīt un tev palīdzēs - esi drošs par to . Bet vislabāk sāc ar to , ka uzraksti kādu atsauci uz to likumu . kur tu rāvi to par to 2019 gadu !!!
PS savādāk tas viss pēc tādas mūsu tukšas kladzināšanas izklausās !
:D :D PPS bet laikam jau forumi tam ir domāti .


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Nigel http://avioclub.lv/?page_id=1007 jau ilgāk par gadu aktīvi darbojās LARPAS, ir izdarījis kaudzi darbu KASK labā. Nepārmet cilvēkam par kuru neko nezini.

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PostPosted: 20 Sep 2017, 23:58 
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Visu Cieņu ! Piekrītu tev Uldi ka Nigels ir labs un čakls cilvēks . Bet varbūt ja vari tad trīs teikumos izskaidro kādu tieši un kādā jautājumā jūsu kluba biedrs lūdz palīdzību . Kādi ir tie likumprojekti ? Varbūt vari turpināt tādu kā starpnieka-tulka lomu veikt :thumbleft: .


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solentlife, first of all, I'd like to thank you for your initiative.
Regarding the insurance - what if someone flies mainly in his own "contryside yard"? Should he have an insurance? Should it be the same as for someone who flies in the city?
When flying in countryside, there's still risk to do some damage to others (we all know that models fly away), but the risk is much smaller.


First it is not my initiative ... I am only part of the team.

Insurance. The problem is that an accident can happen anywhere. If you hit a Cow on a farm - the Farmer will prosecute you for loss of income from that Cow.
Fly in your own 'backyard' - hit a house / building / car or person ?

The compensation claims against you could bankrupt you for life.

The Insurance item is actually a 'bonus' to interest people to join a recognised club. If LARPAS can put together a package of Club Guidelines along with Insurance - that could provide a good foundation for bringing together model flyers.
I know of two attempts in the past to bring together flyers in Latvia - both have basically failed because they did not have any advantage for the flyer. Our proposal is not the same as it will have advantages.

There is an old sales saying :

It is better to have Insurance and not need it than not have insurance and need it.

Nigel

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If anyone has example of Club rules they can pass to me ?

I have a job with LARPAS to write a set of rules for clubs that can be foundation of Latvian Model Flying to satisfy EU proposals.

If a model flyer belongs to a club and the club has reasonable rules - then it has a relatively free hand in flying. But a flyer who remains independent will find it harder to fly and be involved with organised flying sites / events. If an accident occurs - imagine the problem for that independent flyer with no insurance or support from a club / LARPAS.

I suggest that anyone who wishes to see how this can work - look at BMFA in UK - where BMFA fights hard or model flyers rights and supports all competition, provides economic insurance valid to enter competitions / events, runs Certificate schemes for pilot ability etc.

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Nu tad varbūt sākumā varam špikot no UK?


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zinkas ir interesanti - visi tā baigi raizējas ka tik ar dronu kāds nesastrādā kautkādas slepkavības un briesmas, droni lido jau cik gadus? desmit? un maksā cik - sīknaudu - 150 eiro gab.?
kapēc tad visās malās jau sen visi ļaundari neizmanto dronus atspērušies, kaut piecreiz dienā? Un, vai ap dikti dārgiem objektiem ir kaut kāda pret dronu aizsardzība? traucējoši raidsignāli? elektromagnētiski starojumi kas acumirklī nogāž zemē dronu, un putnus, kukaiņus, apstaro tuvumā esošos cilvēkus utt...? Ja kāds gribētu ar droniem sadarīt kautko ļaunu, sen jau būtu sadarījis.

Un - cik cilvēku pasaulē jau ir nomiruši, vai smagi ievainoti no kāda cita neuzmanīgas rīcības ar dronu? Cik vidēji minūtē mirst cilvēku no dronu ievainojumiem?

nu un ja birokrāti izdomās kautko aizliegt, tad aizliegs, savukārt alkahols, cigaretes un vēl lērums lietu, tajā skaitā arī skaidrā nauda netiek aizliegti - var tikai iztēloties kādēļ tas tā ir.

nesaku, ka Jūsu iecere vai organizācija ir sviests, nē, bet pati pasaule pilna ar sviestainiem viedokļiem un uzskatiem. Lai Jums labi izdodas, tai visā kaut kādu sakarīgu kārtību ieviest!

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PostPosted: 21 Sep 2017, 14:48 
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solentlife wrote:
If anyone has example of Club rules they can pass to me ?Nigel

Šajā virzienā var dažas labas idejas pasmelties :
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LV jau kādu laiku ar droniem pāri cietuma žogam cenšās mest paciņas. Sargi man liekas ir vairākus nošāvuši zemē.

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